akashachela:hi sir
Sean:hi bindu
Bindu:Namaste.

akashachela:i think it's the walking pneumonia cuz it's like this one thing that i had a few months ago...i had gone to the doctor, and she said be careful, cuz it's going around.

Sean:well if you can still walk that's good....hope your better soon.

akashachela:It'll be no problem...I'll just seem goofy with all the cold syrup.

Sean: I've just been looking at the Ananta website....its massive.....where's the link to the yogic fire & archive stuff on it?

Bindu: i have deliberately not put them in the Ananta Yoga Web Menu because some people just aren't ready for them, they may cause some children problems; but here they are..
 

Yogic fire Pages

The Jiva Pages
 

Sean:ok.........well i guess hearing about demons can be scary.

akashachela: Yeah, you have to be careful....don't put the whole egg in your mouth when you cant even chew it.

Sean: I read one of the links you gave me yesterday and have a question.

Bindu:m?

Sean: You quote Lord Krishna as saying 'If you attain but one of my powers, you will not be enlightened' can you explain this please?

Bindu: m, that is a very subtle thing..... it has to do with doership.

Sean: As in doing?

Bindu: Yes, but first let me explain one thing to Jess..... i saw you say you are getting some type of illness jess? A sort of cold or flu?

akashachela: A type of flu. I kept dreaming i was studying last night and thinking of Bhagawan Nityananda

Bindu: There is a spiritual reason for most illnesses, would you like to know about it?

akashachela:yes sir.

Bindu: m.... ok.... as you know all beings are aspects of the same Self... hence they have a purpose for existing..... they are not just existing.

Bindu: Germs, virii, rabbits and so on. The influenza virus specifically exists to clean the Akashic sheath of effluent.

Due to the fact that there is an order of hierarchy in the Self where different beings have different functions just like our organs do.

Just as the brain runs all functions in the body so does The Self run all beings in the cosmos this means that when there is a block of impurity resident in the akashic sheath (which i might add is like the skin of the Sharira\Soul) which has here-to-for been an inhibitor to progress in the context of expanding awareness .... something must be done to remove any blockages in it as we progress. Even if the removal means the death of the organism!

Now as you know, virii work at or near the D.N.A level........ but what is totally unknown is the following:

Due to the fact that we as higher beings walk the earth we give them permission to come and do their job of cleaning the akashic sheath for us......... when the symptoms of the flu come the job has been done and the mucus etc. is carrying the block away with it.... This means the little beings have done their work and the flu is "ON IT'S WAY OUT" -we are getting well not sick; So it is like the reverse of what is commonly thought. The impurities are manifesting on the physical plane as the mucus etc.

Sean: What about a virus like HIV or cancers. What use are they?

Bindu: we will come to that Sean, please wait.

Sean: ok

Bindu: So then you are not getting sick you are getting better. You will recall i have said that we can only perceive the past. Thus the disease is on its way out of the akashic sheath.

Now to Sean's question about HIV etc. The answer to that lies in the nature of the person who has it........ (not to say they are evil wrong or to be shunned or rejected or treated with any type of bigotry) it simply means that a certain sort of person will catch a certain sort or illness
for example a person who is extremely hard on themselves or others may get cancer...... think of it....... cancer is caused by the cells or the body attacking itself.... this is just like self-hate and or judgment...

In the case of horrible things like HIV etc..... if it is a terminal illness or disease that will kill us, we have a problem that is so deep at the soul or akashic level that it cannot be healed in this plane so we will die. It is just like leaving a corrupt piece of land that cannot be healed. But the healing comes by and in the dying. But we who are alive fear death and are attached to the bodies existence.

If we are at a stage in the growth of our awareness or sadhana and we are at a stalemate (catch 22) we may need to die to move on. Illness comes from physical or mental habits or behaviors..... again i say that we can only perceive the past thus disease and illness come from a cause
in the context of mental habits.

As regards myself, as i said a cold\flu or any other illness ... when it manifests on the physical plane it is on its way out due to the physical plane only being perceivable as the past.

So then when i get the symptoms of a cold etc. i just recognize that the germs are no longer needed as the illness has been removed from the akashic sheath. Hence they have done the job like a contractor has finished the building, now he must clean up the building site and remove the rubble .

So then i simply enter the consciousness of the germs etc and thank them for their help and in doing so bring them direct realization so that they do not have to go thru countless lives to find The Self. They are liberated immediately. Of course they will accept it as it is a fabulous treasure to them, saving them countless agony on all levels of being as they do not have to go thru millions and millions of lifetimes. They come willingly to their death to their transcendence.

Instead of fighting them with hate by rejecting them, i realize that The Self dwells within them also as The Self in them. Because the Awareness of The Conscious Absolute is a fact in this mind\body complex called Bindu they cannot hide from what is revealed to them. Hence i am merely ill until the symptoms are manifest then due to the process above i am healed within hours ......

Bindu: Once it is recognized that you have symptoms and do this liberation thing once, you must do it a number of times due to the gestation period of the germs; rather like an antibiotic must be taken to the end of the course for the same reason.

So it is by choice that we are ill and by choice that we are healed
and illness comes out of the akashic sheath, enters the emotional body and manifests on the physical plane. So Jess, because you are growing in leaps and bounds, there is a lot of stuff coming out :).

akashachela: ok, was kind of wondering how it all hit me so quickly.

Bindu: Just visualize the little beings whom you asked (on an unconscious level) to come and help you clean the sheath, and then visualize entering their consciousness (which is very rudimentary) and tell them thank you your job has been done well now you can either come into the light of the love of The Self or suffer countless lifetimes.

They will choose to be liberated and stop reproducing.

Bindu: But remember those who are still in the gestation period will need to be told this as they come into birth; so that all will be eradicated in due course

akashachela: The antibiotic of love

Bindu: Yes, you see when we hate them and try to reject them ... that is SELF ATTACK or hate; which of course makes us sick as we too are The Self. However i do not condone relying solely upon this if you are sick as the complete mastery of it takes some time. Instead use it in conjunction with the conventional medicine. Yet take the drugs with an Attitude of loving kindness towards the germs etc.

The question of Ahimsa may arise here for some. Yes. Would Ahimsa be to wish them longevity in samsara or would it be (for those who know what i have said today) to consciously and lovingly invite them to liberation? The Buddhists talk of non-violence and living harmlessly, but do they realize that with every breath and with every step living things are killed in countless numbers... Do they realize that the Human Body commits genocide upon countless beings in the form of micro-organisms just to survive? No True ahimsa is to leave them to kill you or alternatively offer them realization in the Consciousness of The Self.

Bindu: Now to Sean's question. Sean Said "You quote Lord Krishna as saying 'if you attain but one of my powers, you will not be enlightened' can you explain this please?"

Bindu: It means that if we have a thing there must be one who has it regardless what it is that is had or possessed. If a haver then we remain separate from Him; So he says 'If you attain but one of my powers, you will never attain me".

Sean: Because i would still see myself as myself?

Bindu: As the one who has an attribute, yes Sean.

Sean: ok got it.........

Bindu: You see that which is conscious in all of us, has no limitations it is infinite and absolute; Eternity "OCCURS IN" The Self hence how was there a time when we did not have everything?

So then seeking to attain we must first reject thus existence as Jiva is rejection of The Self (thus we are schizophrenic) So then to have this or that there must be comparison. and if comparison, then duality; if duality then beingness as Jiva (Plural).

Sean: Ok i see that.........skipping back if i may, you just said that if you offer the germs to become one with all they will choose that as opposed to more lifetimes, and yet you say you yourself chose the opposite? may i ask why?
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Bindu: Where did i say i choose the opposite?

Sean: I read you explaining the golden god gave you the choice.

Bindu: Oh that :) in the end, to choose liberation over returning is selfish.......... who will be liberated? Is The Self not already liberated?
It implies someone will be liberated hence it is not liberation. So it is compassion to The Self who is what we all are to return here. But in the case of lower beings such as germs etc. their consciousness will enter the place from which it emanated just as did mine upon liberation... this means of course that all realized beings know the same Self..... thus they are Selfless.... (jivaless) and serve the One Self by returning to beingness ... this is what the word "Jivanmukta" means ... free-while-alive.

Sean: Are the gods also Jiva?

Bindu: Yes, Gods are also Jiva as all appear in The Self. The Self in gods you see is the same Self in all right down to germ level. Hence the omniscience of The Self is everywhere; if it was not He would not be omniscient - nor omnipresent you see. Thus all is known at all levels of being by The Self "AS" The Self in all beings.

The manifestation of the being is the experience of the being in The Self you see. As the seeming existence in which it lives is, merely the past hence The Self has already experienced them as having existed, and is conscious of the effect of having existed which is the life all beings live.

Sean: Can you tell me a little about Time'?

Bindu: There are dozens of documents on it at the Archive.

Sean: Time seems unique though.....i can conceive of a nothingness with no space dimensions, but to think of no time takes time.

Bindu: Now there ... right there lies the problem, Yes!

Sean: yes

Bindu: The problem lies in who is it that thinks? Is it the finite one who thinks or The Self?

Sean: i don't know.

Bindu: Do not thoughts manifest (does not mind manifest) in the mental space?

Sean: Do they need a location at all?

Bindu: No they do not need a location. The synapse of the brain fire in countless millions to build up or construct a picture out of that which the senses in combination have reported. The combinations of the synaptic firing make a picture of light just as the photon gun in a television or monitor also does, to display the thought in the space.

Due to the nature of the brain having to fire synapse in order to build up a picture it is not possible to dislocate the picture exteriorly to the body but the bodies existence hides a secret. We tend to look at the exterior dimensions of it but do not understand that it is merely a doorway thru which The Self looks.

Sean: So our mind cant see a picture without the brain/body?

Bindu: No, the "MIND IS THE THOUGHTS" without them there is no MIND at all! In the absence of the Mind there is The Infinite Conscious Absolute Only.

Sean: ok

Bindu: But let me finish what i was saying please. i was saying:: we tend to look at the exterior dimensions of it but do not understand that it is merely a doorway thru which the self looks. The secret is bound up in the nature of Time itself.

Sean: please go on...

Bindu: i have spoken at length earlier about how the smallest or largest time-division .... is ... to the Self no matter how small or large exactly the same... because to the Conscious Absolute...... eternity is nothing........ nothing at all...... as the smallest or largest time-division cannot appear in comparison to infinity, as there is no comparing infinity to anything to get an understanding of it. hence even all of time and therefore finite space cannot bring about understanding of it by comparison.

You will recall  that the existence of MIND\thought also depends upon comparison to display itself.

Sean: All thought is relative?

Bindu: Yes, precisely

So then that is why the poem says: "You cannot think what i am"
i am unthinkable, unimaginable unknowable.

However I alone know myself. That is why as i said earlier all realized beings know The Same Self as the REAL Self in all beings; as they have merged with The Self; this is enlightenment. by this you will know the really realized ones.

Sean: So how do i get there.............

Bindu: ahah "THE I" must go! You cannot get there, as there is no there to get.

akashachela: No wonder my gps never works!

Bindu: i mean that the thought of "I" must go.

Sean: How can i become a realized being?

Bindu: The thought of "ME" must go; the thought of "becoming" must go.

Sean: What will cause it to go?

Bindu: Hence the poem says: do not become; this means become not..... don't become -remain in The Self.

For example:
In the case of realized beings, we do not become an "I"; we do not go out of The Self; we know The Self by remaining as it... this may seem that it is merely a decision to remain; thus it implies doership and hence non-liberation. But no! We can ask who decides to remain? Is it not The Self?

So upon realization ... who is it that arises from meditation? It is certainly not "I" but Jagadananda. Jagadananda, is God. But not "A God" who exists in this world

Sean: OK, so meditation achieves this?

Bindu: The guru\God knows, understands and looks thru the one who has realized Himself in Himself as Himself. His consciousness exists before existence arises .. If you could look back thru the realized beings mind, you would not find him, nor would you find his mind; you would find infinity; he has no mind and does not think, thoughts do not arise.

What comes arises and comes into this plane thru him like water thru a pipe, but the pipe does not make the water, it comes from the reservoir
but in the case of the realized, the reservoir is Infinite-Being, it flows naturally. What is appropriate arises.

Sean: The 'I' is discarded like a disguise taken off?

Bindu: Yes. That is why the poem about the clothing exists. It is an in-your-face blatant explanation of how awful the clothing is, and how you rip you off of who you are by existing as I-ness. clothed in the rags of Jiva\ego.

Sean: What will cause this to happen?

Bindu: Cause what?

Sean: Enlightenment?

Bindu: How can it happen? To whom will it happen? Certainly not to anyone. I keep on saying, He realizes Himself in Himself as Himself. What do you think that means?

Sean: The absolute sees Himself Absolutely.

Bindu: Yes, so "AS" the Jiva He takes off the clothing that defines what
HE is and runs about naked-of-selfhood!

Sean: Well, if i rephrase the question,......what will cause the
Jiva to go away then?

Bindu: The recognition that he cannot come or go. The recognition that he does not exist.

Sean: And how is this recognition reached then?

Bindu: It is reached in the recognition that he is merely a concept ........ i.e. that as you say: "I think therefore i am" to recognize that he merely thinks he thinks but in reality does not think at all.

Sean: He only thinks that he thinks then?

Bindu: All planes, modes and forms of existence simply arise spontaneously in The Self. NO one exists who thinks them up there is no one thinking. The thinker is a concept and as such is also a thought. i.e. because it is implied that, because thoughts exist - there is an implied self who has the attribute of thinking thoughts; this implied self is therefore merely a concept.

As you said earlier; "All thoughts are relative"

Sean: ok...i think i have that.......

Bindu: But i will go one step further: thoughts themselves are just like perceptions of things existing in Time... you will recall i said that whatever is perceived is the past.... In the same way thoughts are also the past because they come and go in time. So then the one who thinks is Timelessness itself - As to be Timeless it must be space less and therefore infinite.

Sean: Outside of space-time...yes.

Bindu: So then realization cannot be gotten or given, it can only be recognized. But let us look at this word RECOGNIZED .... Re Cognized? cognized again....:) Noticed again. Self recognition! Self-Realization!

Namaste

 

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