Ashoka has joined the conference.
dhanni has joined the conference.
dhanni: Namaste
bindu: Namaste
balakrishnanpradeep: Hari Om! Namaskaragalu. Please accept adiyen's respectful
pranams!
dhanni: i have been fighting........ The battle still going.
ashoka: i was hit by a police van. i saw it coming... i shouted Ma!!
It hit the rear end of the car instead of my front door. So pray to Mother
Dhanni always; and balakrishnan here can help also.
ashoka: how r u Dhanni, meet Bala.
dhanni: not good.
ashoka: Hugs dhanni.... Bala is busy - he will be right here.
dhanni: bindu i rented 'what the bleep do we know'
bindu: kool
bindu: Did you like it?
dhanni: It was ok.
bindu: makes you think yes?
dhanni: i saw the part about the hypothalamus, i remember one time you were
trying to tell me about the hypothalamus but i didnt understand.
balakrishnanpradeep: Bhagvan. I wanted to tell you a thing, which you might
all laugh at. Yesterday after Binduji gave me the Ultimate Thathva of Sri
Krishna, everything I see is Sri Krishna.
bindu: LOL...Wonderful
balakrishnanpradeep: I feel and smile in my mind always.... and in my sleep I
saw Lord Sri Krishna below a tree resting and he said, it took so long for me
to make you understand. now go and sleep
dhanni: awesome.
ashoka: Bows
bindu: Jai Sri Krishna!
balakrishnanpradeep: Then I asked him to Wait, HE smiled and said if I wait
everything waits, just talk and i will know .... now you do your karma as I
tell you...
ashoka: wow
bindu: This is very nice of him!
balakrishnanpradeep: Jai Jai Sri Krishna! After I saw him disappear i felt Sri
Lord Shiva with a Trident in his left hand standing in the same location and
looking at me...he first looked and then smiled and disappeared at the same
location.
bindu: Thank you dear one for going to see bala!
ashoka: i am not talking to krishna, he never comes.
bindu: Jai Sir Krishnaaaaa!
dhanni: He is strange.very secretive, right bindu?
balakrishnanpradeep: YOU ARE HIM AND HE IS I
bindu: m, dhanni you have to notice who is SAYING "i" in you.
balakrishnanpradeep: who is SRI KRISHNA Ma HE is there in YOU and YOU are ME
i.e. nothing...and nothing becomes I. Bindu Maharaj!!! I see you!
bindu: OM Namah Sivaya!
ashoka: Bows. I am going to see a saint tonight though dhani
balakrishnanpradeep: The Sri Krishna in me Bows to the Sri Krishna in you and
our jiva's are blessed by the I SHRI HARI!
ashoka: He is known as the 5th Jagad Guru.
ashoka: JAI SHREE HARI.... Maharaj Rama Kripalu.like a child, always he says
Radhe Radhe; but has written the highest treatise on the love of Radha for
Shree Krishna. Bless me all of you as he has kept the promise he made to me 4
years ago in Delhi.
balakrishnanpradeep: Om Namah Shivaya, Shivaya Namah!
ashoka: Om Namo Shivaya
ashoka: Om Namo Shivaya
ashoka: Om Namo Shivaya.
balakrishnanpradeep: Honestly i do not know what to type...
ashoka: Shivaya Namo Om
balakrishnanpradeep: i feel that everyone is Sri Krishna, so what will the Sri
Krishna in me type to other sri krishna karam yogi's Sri Murthy Lakshana Sri
Salagrama Lakshana Sri Krishna Shetra Yatra Sri Krishna Murthy Darshana.
ashoka: Tell us everything about Krishna! Jai Shree Krishna!
balakrishnanpradeep: The Lord showed me the path to Sri Krishna Thatva through
Bhagvan Binduji
bindu: OM Namah Sivaya!!!
ashoka: he says Krishna is our soul but Radha Ma is His soul he is always in
ecstasy. now he is 82; but at the age of 25 he defeated all the Sanskrit
scholars and got the silver throne which he donated to the India Govt India
China war 1964
bindu: are you at work bala?
balakrishnanpradeep: yes.
dhanni: krishna really has a brother?
bindu: Krishna never comes except with his four brothers Dhanni
balakrishnanpradeep: Krishna has all Krishna's. He has himself as his matha,
pitha, guru, deivam, brother
dhanni: ok so when he comes. But does he have brothers in the transcendental
reality? Is he a transcendental person as the scriptures say?
balakrishnanpradeep: Bhagvan, Let the Sri Krishna in Binduji say that thatva.
Lord has no form or shape, he is infinite. Scriptures cannot describe them.
dhanni: the gaudiya acharya...Sri krishnadas kaviraj, describes him
balakrishnanpradeep: So to help the jivas the karunamoorthy Lord Shri Hari
manifested into Himself and tried to educate the jiva's. and one such jiva who
had HIS blessings to help educate other Jivas is Shri Krishna Das who himself
is again Sri Krishna
bindu: yes dhanni ... we can only point at the one who points at the mind in
us and say HE is The Self ... we cannot describe him or know who he is.
dhanni: Then says krishna is infinite. what he has described is like one ray
of moon light from the infinite beautiful face of krishna which is cool like
the moon.......something like that.
balakrishnanpradeep: he is unable to describe it, he is giving an example.
dhanni: ok. still you avoided the question about his brother the in
transcendental?
balakrishnanpradeep: the Lord whom your Jiva will see will not be the same as
the other.
balakrishnanpradeep: HE is the brother. HE is Balaram
bindu: yes and Siva is also his brother.
dhanni: There is no siva in transcendental? In param-sivam
according to shaivite scriptures. so bindu...logically if you say Siva is his
brother. Then you imply krishna too is not transcendental
balakrishnanpradeep: Bhagvan to be honest with you, I know and understand one
thing "there is Lord in everything and everything is Lord". Once you accept
this, you see the Lord as Shiva or Krishna or Shri Hari....
My jiva does not know anything about scriptures, nor Vedas, but the Sri
Krishna in Binduji woke me from sleep and I now see transcendental or illusion
or real or fake is all Sri Krishna, The Lord in us is seeking to the Lord Thy
above our Jivas.
dhanni: full of krishna's grace, shri krishnadas kaviraj explains thatva very
nicely. very good bala.
bindu: Jai Bala sees it correctly, yes..
As regards brothers dhanni, i said "WHEN HE COMES" here
i did not say in HIS transcendental nature.
dhanni: I was not asking about when he comes here; i was asking about the
transcendental. Is he a transcendental person as the scriptures say?
Does he have a brother in the transcendental?
balakrishnanpradeep: It is all Sri Krishna in Binduji's blessings and
guidance.
bindu: Yes Dhanni, in himself there are no others but himself
but to the jiva he appears many in an ever ascending (higher ) permutation of
being until he is in himself
dhanni: m hm
But only he himself can know who he himself is as he is The Self in ALL Beings
as well as in himself.
dhanni: ok. You say he is a transcendental person; so in the transcendental he
has a transcendental brother? or just when he comes here as you said? or in
both?
bindu: Sri Krishna only has brothers when he comes here; in the transcendental
he has no brothers. However when he comes here -because this world is in his
imagination the brothers, though they seem real are only imaginary just as the
world is also imaginary.. ..
All the different gods and demigods etc. are merely different aspects of
being.......
ashoka: what is a demigod?
bindu: Ashoka a demigod is a being that is part human - part god. Minor gods
are demigods (as in not the final god)
When the idea of god... or the thought of the nature of god is entertained
the various gods who are said to preside over ... or are responsible for
certain modes of existence come into being.
For example Yama is the god of death; Smashan Tara the goddess of the
cremation ground .......... Kali the destroyer, and so on.
Each minor god though not the final supreme Personality of god-head (to use
Srila Prahbhupada's words) has in himself or in herself the Real Self
i.e Sri Krishna
dhanni: Prabhupada got that from sri sri bhagvat. It is parama purusha. So
those are the words vyas compiled.
bindu: yes, dhanni.
Here is an important distinction between how Sri Krishna Sees things and how
the jiva sees things.
The demigods only appear when looking up from the jiva to god... they exist so
that the jiva can grow in understanding and evolution towards the supreme
self.
Yet when looking down from himself Sri Krishna does not see anyone but himself
as he is The Self of ALL the demigods as well as ALL of the beings.
bindu: welcome Ramesha.
av_ramesha: bindu.. have u seen god?
balakrishnanpradeep: Why would HE see God when God is within him?
av_ramesha: bindu, have u seen god?
bindu: Yes, Ramesha. Before realization i had many visions and many gods come
into this very body.
balakrishnanpradeep: Your jiva realizes Sri Krishna and prays to Sri
Krishna...
ashoka: av may we know who are you. i am ashoka.
av_ramesha: me? i am the spiritual student of bindu.. My name is ramesha.
av_ramesha: Does god really exist?
bindu: God exists yes. Totally so...
dhanni: What is god?
av_ramesha: Can we see god?
bindu: We can only see demigods not the final god.
av_ramesha: r u god, ashoka?
ashoka: i am that i am.
av_ramesha: What's this concept of demigod and final god?
bindu: Well, The Self must enter into diversity if the Jeeva are to appearing
this world. Upanishad says he create the world then his Sakti entered into all
the being so the lord descended and sort her in every being .
bindu: So, there is a gradual decent into the form of a more and more limited
beingness of The Self ....
Dhanni: Shiva hides himself as jiva.
bindu: Yes, but bit by bit dhanni. So there are lesser and lesser gods
bindu: who are also Jeeva; since The Self in them is the same self in ALL;
they too are jiva and not the final god you see?
bindu: So yes, it is possible to see gods and demigods etc. but the Final
transcendental god cannot be seen as ONLY HE SEES HIMSELF, as he is the ONLY
REAL ONE; The rest are jiva.
av_ramesha: what's jiva?
bindu: Jiva is the individual Soul; Jeeva are the many souls. (plural of Soul)
they are reflections in The Self of himself. Hence they have no self-nature
and can do nothing at all without his WILL.
av_ramesha: What's the difference between jiva and god? is the soul not a part
of god?
bindu: Yes, the soul is a part of god ramesha, but it is merely a reflection
in the consciousness and is limited because the ConsciousNESS cannot tell who
he is... it just is not great enough. so the jiva no matter how great .. up to
and including the consciousness of highest demigod can never equal or surpass
him.
bindu: For example: if you walk past a mirror ... your reflection cannot move
unless you do. The same applies to ALL jiva ... they are reflections of The
Self in his own consciousness.... (Consciousness is a reflection of
the-Conscious absolute).
av_ramesha: some people say.. vishnu is the ultimate god.. some says
siva is great... who is our final destination?
bindu: The Transcendental Self is just that ramesh.... he is transcendental of
all .... he is the final ONE. He is his own destination
it is called self-realization for this reason.
Our destination is death, as we do not exist.
av_ramesha: death?
bindu: Ramesh, we will be born to die again and again until we see this. Hence
life will lead to death.
av_ramesha: Until we see what? What exists after death? Until we get
self-realized?
bindu: Yes, If you die thinking you are jiva you will become jiva and be
reborn as jiva. We will die in an unconscious state ramesh, and be subject to
Karma and have to do sadhana for countless lifetimes.
On the other hand, if you know you are The Self you will remain The Self and
return to the world to assist all others out of compassion for yourself WHO IS
The Self IN THEM ALL!
Om Tat Sat.
But yesterday i gave a talk about karma that is quite different from the
normal way of looking at karma.
It goes like this:
Beings think Karma belongs to them ... they think it is theirs....
this is not true. because who are they? They have no self who could own
anything as Sri Krishna (Who is The Self) is the only ONE who exists; Hence
that karma is his.
This means the Karma makes a being what he is, but it is NOT HIS
it is Sri Krishnas.
balakrishnanpradeep: Om Tat Sat
bindu: All that exists comes into being "BECAUSE" Sri Krishna Exists
hence everything is a result of his karma; The cosmos is therefore his Kriya;:
it is also his jnana!
NOTHING BELONGS TO THE JIVA AT ALL !!! jiva is a delusory reflection in the
mirror; and as with a reflection it cannot move at all with out the one who is
looking into the mirror.
av_ramesha: How can jiva join sri Krishna?
bindu: He cannot ramesha, jiva cannot do anything... he can do "NOTHING".. he
is empty-of-self. He is empty of being
av_ramesha: ok.. how to be awake in alpha state?
bindu: All we can do is give love to the one who looks at our thoughts ...
(the one who refers to "i" in us ) the one who says "I" - the one who says
ME..... ... all we can do is reflect him to himself ... our job is to love
him.
This means he loves himself AS US, he worships himself AS US. Just as you
might worship yourself in a mirror, so does he in the mirror of his own
consciousness; this surrender is bhakti.
The mistake comes from looking in the wrong direction. We tend to look outward
instead of inward.... we look at the reflections instead of at the unformed
one, but he is always there in us saying "I" constantly. He is very sneaky and
tricky.
He looks at the thoughts... he looks at the mind... he looks at the IDEA of
who we are that is reflected in the mirror of the mind and says "I"!
But who is he .... who says "I?" Who says "ME?" Who refers to me in myself? It
is HIM and HIM alone; He is the same Self in ALL beings everywhere!
bindu: Om Tat sat
