tatasthaa: jai radhe krishna bindu ji.
how are u doing arun ji.. how are u bindu ji?
bindu: g'day
tatasthaa: good morning bindu ji.
arunachala: i'm good thanks. except my fingers hurt from arunachala typing too
much.
tatasthaa: yikes.. then don't arunachalape too much arun ji..
arunachala: unfortunately I have to for English work. then my fingers get all
cold. That's why I'm having tea rite now.
tatasthaa: bindu ji plz speak in silence and enlighten us
bindu: You must have typed a lot arunachala. It's summer there isn't it?
arunachala: Late spring but its also quite cold in the basement here where I
am; even with my tuque and two sweaters on.
bindu: oh ok
tatasthaa: Oh well ji.. it is both summer and winter here in London. morning
sunshine.. and looked great like summer.. at midday time it was heavy with
with rain.. Looked like winter... then later it had a spring kind of look...
but then rain like in autumn season. i cannot speak of English weather.
arunachala: the skies are still grey from the morning rain here.
bindu: The English weather is renowned for depressing people i dreamed all
night that it was pooring rain, but it isn't raining here. I love the rain.
tatasthaa: They say the weather here is like a girl, fickle.
tatasthaa: i like dreams of rain also. I love the sound of rain on the roof
also. It's so nice. It is nice to be inside the house and watch it through the
window.. " Hari is coming as the dark rain clouds", but you don't want to be
out side and get wet.
tatasthaa: so how are u doing bindu ji?
bindu: i am very good thanks nishu.
In Queensland the rain is warm; when i was a boy i used to love to play in the
monsoon the rain drops were so big that each one all by itself can make you
soaked.
tatasthaa: Yes.. when i was small i also played in rain, I love it!
when i see rain clouds.. i think of krishna; they say his color is like the
dark rain clouds..
arunachala: ah ! Absorbing the heat from my tea mug is amazing to feel on my
fingers. It's like putting wam underwear on on a winter morning fresh from the
dryer.
tatasthaa: arun ji.. you have great expressing power
arunachala: yea, my English work has been forcing me to be more poetic
arunachala: How is the book coming along binduji?
bindu: Well arunachala it seems Krishna is conspiring to hold things up in
that regard.
tatasthaa: What is silence bindu ji?
bindu: mm. Silence? What is it?
tatasthaa: They say the sound of silence is AUM.. I could imagine the silence
being the space for the all pervading love.. when there is silence.. the love
fills this space (silence).
bindu: Yes nishu, that is completely correct.
tatasthaa: Ah!
arunachala: Ah who cares god is good !
tatasthaa: Arunachala ji and His Tea cup!
arunachala: I remember when the ashram was held up as well too!
tatasthaa: Ah, the heat from my tea mug is amazing to feel on my finger.. it
is like feeling lord siva's love through the tea mug.
arunachala: does the notion of 'i am' predate that of aum?
bindu: No arunachala, we could call that the i-amness. Aum is silence ...
there is no I-am known by the name i am in THAT.
bindu: You might remember this --->Stillness is first it can be called The
Self before it has acted... previous to acting, The Self is in itself which is
infinite stillness.
bindu: do you recall this nishu? Let us discuss it post by post.
tatasthaa: yes ji.
arunachala: The silence is before aum yes i remember that one.
tatasthaa: The Self is situated in itself = where else can The Self be
situated itself.. if not in The Self? hehehe this whole thing is a joke ..
bindu: Yes, "AUM" "NOT OM".
arunachala: If i may put a quote down to explain what I'm talking about: In
the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad there is a verse that describes how, at the
beginning of the universe, the Self became aware of itself as 'I':
In the beginning this [universe] was The Self alone… He [The Self] reflected
and saw nothing but The Self. He first said, 'I am He'. Therefore He came to
be known by the name aham ['I'].(1)
tatasthaa: Words do not explain anything. Can we trust the Brihadaranyaka
Upanishad?
bindu: Aum is the primordial. A = Akara U=Ukara M=Makara.
A stands for Shrusthi which is a reference to Creation. U Stands for Sthithi
which is a reference to Sustenance. M Satnds for Laya which is a reference to
Destruction.
So it is aid the AUM is the name of the process of becoming and dissolution
also. We could say then, that "AUM" is the name of the whole of existence.
Sri-Somanatha Maharshi has said that the primordial sound has the power to
heal many of our ailments via the process of practicing the Pranavam which is
the enunciation in a prescribed manner of the primordial sound over various
periods of time coupled with practicing the yoginidra (yogic sleep).
The Word Pranava comes from the Sanskrit -
Pranuyate – The Supreme Self that is lauded by all.
Pranan avati – That which protects the vital force.
Prakarsena Navikaroti - That which renovates everything.
The secret of tapping the Power of Nature and making it available
to bring about health and well being, lies in bringing the body\mind complex
into synchronization with primordial Pranava by use of the ancient A-U-M formula
in conjunction with a breathing technique.
In this way we build Sankalpa – (empower the Will) and then use Sankalpa to
direct the Power of Nature within our bodies, in such a way as to harmonize the
body’s systems.
Just very basically: The practice of the Pranavam as prescribed by Sri-Somanatha
Maharshi follows the following process on the out breath.
1. A: The sound Aaaa is produced by compression and focus upon the lower
abdomen.
2. U: The sound Uuuu is produced by compression and focus upon the diaphragm.
3: M: Mmm is effortlessly produced as the lips are closed and the head is
lowered to the chest to lock the breath.
As the jaws are brought together just before the lips touch the last of the air
in the body makes a Shhh sound as it leaves the mouth.
So it is like aaauuushhhmmmm, but neither the sound Shhh or Mmm is deliberately
produced.
For a full explanation of this process there is a PowerPoint presentation
available for download by request only. There is a small excerpted PowerPoint
Presentation Available which shows:
How to do the Pranavam.
But here is an image which depicts the process.
bindu: But as nishu says, words or descriptions of any type have no meaning in
the silence. but let us discuss the Upanishad.
"In the beginning this [universe] was the Self alone… He [the Self] reflected
and saw nothing but the Self."
The operative word is reflected
"Shone in Himself out of Himself" i.e. he was conscious.
This reflection is AUM as everything arises out of reflection in HIM. Yet
because all is He Himself nothing arose at all!
tatasthaa: well ji.. there is something more.. it is not alone creation and
sustenance and destruction... at end of it.. the silence is heard also.
AUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... with end.. there is silence.. unstruck sound.
bindu: precisely nishu .... nothing arose (it was unstruck).
tatasthaa: From the sound nothing arose but him self?
bindu: Yes, so there was nothing arisen as he already is\was. so there is no
question of arising and not arising.
tatasthaa: hmm, The Self is always situated in itself.. nothing has happened..
The Self alone exists..
bindu: Yes of course ... remember a moving arrow moves in a space equal to
itself; hence it doesnot move at all.
So if The Self alone exists and nothing ever arose in Him because he is all
there is; it must mean that the Cosmos (Atman) has existed eternally (as it
never arose).
tatasthaa: Arun ji has posted: "In the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad there is a verse
that describes how, at the beginning of the universe, the Self became aware of
itself as 'I': In the beginning this [universe] was the Self alone… He [the
Self] reflected and saw nothing but the Self. He first said, 'I am He'.
Therefore He came to be known by the name aham ['I'].(1)"
tatasthaa: Let us come back to this ji.. In the beginning The Self was alone. It
would seem then that The Self is STILL alone today ji. There is nothing but The
Self.
bindu: Yes nishu ........i say again it must mean that the Cosmos (Atman) has
existed eternally (as it never arose).
tatasthaa: Yes ji that is correct. If The Self was alone.. did it feel lonely?
bindu: how so Nishu? Since there cannot be and is not anything else
not ever; loneliness is non-existent.
arunachala: Ah! You can only feel lonely when comparing yourself with others.
When one is situated in The Self, how does one feel?
bindu: arunachala is right.
tatasthaa: The Self knows everything. The Self may not feel lonely... but The
Self know loneliness.
bindu: oh yes nishu but he who has realized the self is free in all modes of his
own consciousness (which consciousness is Siva's Consciousness).
There is no question of feeling or not feeling nishu, it is not a question of
one be limited and referring to ones-self as having this or that .... one is
normal and feels exactly like he always did ... having emotions and normal
thoughts... but the difference is he can be in the super-conscious state or in
the mind-body state and go about his life as normal or be super-normal.
tatasthaa: What is Siva consciousness ji? Is it to be situated in the
transcendental consciousness? When Lord Siva gets angry... perhaps it is
transcendental?
bindu: yes that is right. all three questions are correct.
tatasthaa: But knowing is different from feeling and thinking.. it is higher but
there is something beyond the knowing as well.. The Self is love.. Love is
higher than knowledge..
bindu: Yes that is correct but that degree of immersion in The Self whereby one
merges totally into transcendental love-consciousness is unspeakable. But nishu
.. it is thought that one must remain in the super-consciousness to be thought
to be a realized being; but that is incorrect because all states are His.
tatasthaa: although all states are his.. there are lower and higher states?
bindu: How so when he is all? They are only higher or lower states by
comparison, but we know if there is comparison then there is duality.
To illustrate this here is a quote from the discourse on Final Non-Duality and
the Refutation of The Void
Quote
In the Absence of Hearing -
In the Absence of Seeing -
In the Absence of Tasting -
In the Absence of Sensation -
In the Absence of Scent. -
In the Absence of Thought -
The Self Resides in Himself.
In the comparison of sound to soundlessness, I appear.
In the comparison of the seen to the unseen, I appear.
In the comparison of what is tasted to the tasteless, I appear.
In the comparison of Sensation to sensationlessness, I appear.
In the comparison of Scent to the odorless, I appear.
In the comparison of emptiness to fullness -
cognition appears composed of all these.
The beginning of comprehension -
The beginning of apperception -
The Beginning of I-ness -
arises from the speck-like particle of the beginning
of the comparison of emptiness, to what is not.
When thinking tries to think of the infinite -
When trying to refer to emptiness -
There must be the comparison to what one previously knew existed -
hence that which is thought to be the Void (at least by way of description)
is not the infinite, but is merely the absence of what was.
The Absolute, The Para-Brahman, "The Infinite One" -
is not absence, is not Void -
it does not exist in comparison, else its existence is
dependent upon another, and is therefore neither Infinite -
Nor One Omnipresent - as comparison connotes Duality.
End Quote
That is what is meant by the statement made in Siva Sutra "He is free in all
modes of his own consciousness" There are and can be no states to Him... there
is only Himself roaming in Himself ... or not roaming in Himself. He is free in
all modes OF HIS OWN CONSCIOUSNESS.
tatasthaa: he is free in all mode of his own consciousness.. yet he is also love
in all mode of his own consciousness.
bindu: Of course you are right Nishu, He does not discriminate. But since
nothing arose what exists -------- exists..... ... yet the question can be
asked: if nothing arose then does what exists .... exist?
Or is what we are conscious of at the moment merely a frozen piece of the static
non-arisen Self who is all that exists?
tatasthaa: so he is not free from love ji?
arunachala: as i understand it, love is what keeps it as one. Like glue?
bindu: No, HE IS LOVE... Love and consciousness are the same thing;: but The
Self in Himself is beyond even love.... He is unspeakable.....But the first
manifestation which comes simultaneously with The light of the Consciousness is
Love. The light then takes on the form The Self described in Tirumantirum.
Quote
2689: When the Lights of Siva and Sakti Blend in Jiva
Light As unto the Light of Lord That in Him reposes; Is the Light of His Sakti
Grace, When the three lights Sun, Moon and Fire within shines by Yoga Way, The
Lord, indeed, nears you, As one Light in your inner Light.
End quote
Comment
This verse refers to the fact that the lord in not yet manifest
with any definable form. In the following verse he takes on form and is
perceived as standing in the light. This is my experience also.
2690: Lord's Light and Jiva's Light Merge Within The Light within is but
Jiva; The Lord too who stood within was a great Light Effulgent; Flashing as
lightning in the astral sphere, That Light with Shakti's Light and Jiva's Light
into one merged.
End quote
bindu: The first step from out of the Absolute is Love. but love cannot even be
known lest it love itself as love... this lovingness is what we call light; but
the light we SEE is merely like a speck of the real light of the Conscious ONE.
Whom we call The Absolute Self.
tatasthaa: But binduji, Krishna stresses the fact that He is not beyond love..
He says He is actually love.. and He is very much situated in love.
bindu: i am talking of His Transcendental Self here nishu, He cannot be referred
to in that because comparison does not exist in Him.
tatasthaa: yes ji, same here. ji.. Love = Self there is nothing beyond The Self.
Saying... that The Self is beyond love.. is saying The Self is beyond The Self.
I am also speaking of transcendental love.. Not feeling and thinking and knowing
love... like in a materialistic way. Love is simultaneously present in
thinking.. feeling knowing...
bindu: Yes you are right of course, but the use of the WORD is the trouble. The
nearest we can come to say it is to use the word love.
tatasthaa: yes
bindu: But the word and all that it means only goes so far at saying it.
tatasthaa: yes ji u are right.
bindu: i once told you of the experience of merging into the light it is also
shown at yogic fire page.
tatasthaa: yes.
bindu: The love and the light of the consciousness of The Self only becomes
apparent when there is the gradual return to the consciousness of the existence
of the universe. Then God becomes visible as The Golden ONE.
When the consciousness is ascending into it there is not the possibility of the
full recognition of it due to the fact that the human mind consciousness is
incapable of understanding it. Only he can understand himself.
so it is on the return when the super-consciousness has been established that
the nature of The Self can be known and experienced AS the Self IN Himself. Not
the reverse.
tatasthaa: You must know better ji as u have directly experienced it. i have
not.
The golden one is recognized as para-atma Why is the love is associated with
light? Why not darkness? Do we experience him as we have imagined? Or does our
mind play a part in our experiences?
bindu: The golden One said: " I am LOVE" but only after my mind had been
transformed. Tirumantirum confirms this.
Quote From Tirumantirum Again.
2842: Behold Transcendental Light (Param Jyoti) As I clung to the
Lord that is Transcendental Light, The Transcendental Light in me entered and
remained; And as I sank and sank into the Transcendental Light, I beheld the
Transcendental Light, Himself aloud proclaiming.
End Quote.
Also remember Sri Krishna gave Arjuna divine sight then he saw he could not see
before hand.
When it happened to me. A being made of light appeared out of the light, He said
i am your God, I am your Love! I did not know who or what he was at that time.
Because he appeared at the same time as the world came back into focus, for the
next 12 years i rejected this part of the experience. I thought it was a
construct of the the minds reaction to the light.
During that 12 years i went thru the most profound physical, emotional and
mental agony......... it was hell itself, because the truth must be brought
down. It is no good sitting about in Samadhi constantly that helps no one.
tatasthaa: i had same experience of a Golden one Being. but.. as u said.. i was
doubting these experiences also. i can say the same.. i am still going through
it.. kanu baba is making life most difficult for me. Let us hope i see him
before i give up this body. It is so hard to accept everything as he is already
situated in the self
arunachala: love=bliss=peace=contentment etc?
bindu: Yes, but it was and is necessary nishu, so that the physical being is
also transformed like the mind.
bindu: you saw the golden one nishu?
tatasthaa: Yes ji... He carried me back into my body, i used to have out of body
experiences before, now everything is gone. i don't have any experiences any
more. I don't know what happend.
bindu: It is good; He then brought you to see me. Now you are learning about
Him.
tatasthaa: Why it is good ji?
bindu: why not good?
tatasthaa: There was nothing much to learn about Him anyway ji.. except for he
is a thief.. liar and a rascal. I have become stronger perhaps more in touch
with the earth than before. Perhaps i was not ready. No, "Not perhaps" i was not
ready. Now kanu baba is making me sleepy. He doesn't want me to stay here and
bash him.
bindu: i told you once nishu, he wants you to complete your degree; He has plans
for you.
tatasthaa: He can then help me with it.. why does he always except me to cook
and clean and do the work.. while He sits around and watch the world like
watching tv? He has proven himself to be a lazy man ji! Kanu baba is Male for
sure!
bindu: ahahah HE IS YOU SILLY. He works.. .YOU DO NOT. He stole the gopis
clothes do you know what that means?
tatasthaa: ok ok ji hehehe.
bindu: Do you recall the rags file? Clothing is ego; they had to go and kiss
Him.
tatasthaa: it meant that he ran out of his cloths? kidding ji.. hehee i know i
know; The body is clothing.
bindu: Yes existence of individual i-ness is clothing. So he will strip us bare.
He will steal our clothing.
tatasthaa: Once they leave the ego.. body.. there is unification with ParamAtma.
What to do... i have lots of ego.: hehe. I dont know how to get rid of it.. i
guess He will have to come and steal it!
bindu: Yes, so then nishu He is the doer you are not.
tatasthaa: It is easy for you to say ji. you have experienced everything so know
everything. Our position is really hard for you to understand.
bindu: So until then ... you must do what the guru tells you.
tatasthaa: yes ji. When i suffer.. it is Krishna who is suffering? He is the
doer.
bindu: Yes, that is right. When you pray He is praying to himself. When you cry
He is crying. When you love He is loving. When you hurt He is hurting. Stop
being selfish give up what you think is yours. You have nothing at all. It is
all His. You are the thief how can He be the thief since He is all all is His.
You do not even have any love except by his grace He gave it to you to give back
to Him.
tatasthaa: i would gladly pack them up and give to him ji.. but how?
bindu: Easily nishu dear... the answer is do not think you had them in the first
place. They are His. First, last and in between.
tatasthaa: hehe bindu ji.. by calling me thief.. you are only calling him
thief.. that is your theory.. now... you know He is listening to you
Laughter.
bindu: Wait though; if He is all then stealing does not exist.. as He is the
only one who exists... neither does any other problem such as crying so He is a
stupid child sitting imagining stupid states so He can play stupid games and
pretend He is existing as all this stupidness. He is like a child looking into a
mirror making stupid faces and emoting because of the faces.
tatasthaa: That is it bindu ji!.. i am sure you will never find
this log file!
You can kiss it goodbye.
bindu: Love then, is Silence itself. it is said "Be still and
know that i am God.. A poem now.
The Moment of Love
From whence came the moment of Love?
It came not from an empty life given
upon a gray stone floor;
Nor from the burning passion,
of men flung against an angry God;
It was not found in an empty realm
or dreams come asunder
from the hands of children.
In an empty hour, an empty pot
was dipped into the stream of life,
to find not the dead bird of death
held the moment of Love;
Nor life, nor thought, not even breath
or the mist of a mountain top;
Not one was found to say,
when or how that moment
ever began or stayed.
A cry rang out upon the dark
but nothing, nothing heard,
the breaking of tens of millions of hearts
or cared as any died;
There was not God nor caring spirit
left within my heart,
for came not any moment of Love,
or wondrous light to save,
or keep me from the dark
of an empty life.
Of that illusive moment of Love
not one spark I found,
until I found myself alone,
as the only one;
Within without and round-about,
none other did I find;
But deep within my empty heart
I saw something in the dark.
It was not dark, nor was it light
but something other than;
a living thing it did not know
nor atomic spec of dust;
A thing full in myself
as well as a thing upon which I gazed;
A thing in everything alone,
something precious, not made of stone;
Within which everything and nothing sent.
A mighty throb beyond the heart..
A being thing which had not form
nor any name, or time in which to live;
For it was not born of men
or creature sentient;
Within the stone upon which was flung
the life of emptiness;
Not written on a golden sky
nor with any pen.
A hand did not, nor did mouth
utter a word, creating anything;
This was ever there and gone,
long before any thing or after time did end.
A moment full!
A moment gone!
An empty moment
- lost!
Gone forever!
When broken hearts
and bodies flung
against an iron stone;
Acid scorched, and ice wind bent
not one moment -
here in the realm of time.
Whence came the moment of Love,
Love not that thing hidden?
Love came when time stood still!
For yesterday the memories
of all the empty lives,
the burning ships and murderous days
- are gone!
Tomorrow or a moment hence,
I see but another time,
when the me I am will in that time
be what I think I am;
the which I see because I've been
what the past has seen.
Yet now before another tick
here in this moment of Love,
can be found another one unhurt;
Not yet burned, nor flung against,
the empty stone of time.
Here at the end of now,
that wonderful moment of Love,
knows itself!
I am not there
yet something knows
which is not me;
But I know myself
to be nothing -
I am the moment of Love!
To allow myself this,
to give the Self I seem to be
when I peer at life,
but one full moment of Love
by this alone am I freed
and thereby know my name.
Laughter.
